Nicolas Winding Refn
Birthday: 29 September 1970, Copenhagen, Denmark
Height: 189 cm
Writer, director, and producer Nicolas Winding Refn was born in Copenhagen, Denmark, in 1970, to Anders Refn, a film director and editor, and Vibeke Winding (née Tuxen), a cinematographer. Just befor ...Show More
[from his introduction to the 'Cannes Classics' screening of the 4K restoration] Terrore nello spazi Show more
[from his introduction to the 'Cannes Classics' screening of the 4K restoration] Terrore nello spazio (1965) is the film that Ridley Scott and Dan O'Bannon stole from to make Alien (1979). We found the elements, we have the evidence tonight. This is the origin! (...) When you look at the two movies it's not just similarities. It's lifted structure, scenes, characters, dilemmas, themes that are very apparent. (...) I think it's wonderful: Everyone steals from everyone. And with "Alien", which is another masterpiece, it defined genre movies as having a very high artistic standard. But the irony is that it all comes back to this Italian movie that I don't think has gotten the recognition it deserved. [2016] Hide
[on the failure of Fear X (2003) and market value:] What I learned from my failure is that it's not Show more
[on the failure of Fear X (2003) and market value:] What I learned from my failure is that it's not creativity you should be afraid of, you should just be aware of what the value is. The film industry is very simple, like any market. If your films make money, it's a lot easier to get money to make more films. If your films don't lose money, you can still find people to give you money. But if you lose money, that's a very dangerous, slippery slope to get into. The problem with "Fear X" - creatively I didn't solve it as much as I should have. That's my fault, pure and simple. Financially, the film was just too expensive for what it was worth. If the film had cost half a million dollars, nothing would have happened. But because it cost between $3-4 million, it was just way too expensive for the kind of film it was. Also when I was making it I thought I was god's gift to mankind. I felt I could walk on water. Which is what you do. You have to have that attitude. But when it became such a colossal failure, and because I invested my own money it, not only was the movie a failure, but I owed my bank $1 million. Now when you owe your bank $1 million, you're pretty much ruined for life. At the same time, I was a has-been at 30 years old. I felt really sorry for myself. I was really pathetic. In a way, failing was always something that had to happen to me. Because you need to learn you can't walk on water. Then you can understand when it really works. Hide
The thing that's interesting in the digital revolution is that beyond your classic journalists or fi Show more
The thing that's interesting in the digital revolution is that beyond your classic journalists or film critics, there's a whole world of people that are interested or fascinated by film. They didn't used to have a voice. The way that people describe, argue and debate is very fascinating because it shows that art has been taken back by the people. It's not longer individuals who set the standards or set the taste. It's been completely democratized. Hide
[on Ryan Gosling] The thing with Ryan, you can look at him for hours. Very few actors have that. It' Show more
[on Ryan Gosling] The thing with Ryan, you can look at him for hours. Very few actors have that. It's a gift. Hide
Well, art is an act of violence. It is about penetration, about speaking to our subconscious and our Show more
Well, art is an act of violence. It is about penetration, about speaking to our subconscious and our moods at different levels. Hide
[how he got to direct Drive (2011)] I had no aspirations of working in Hollywood. It was not somethi Show more
[how he got to direct Drive (2011)] I had no aspirations of working in Hollywood. It was not something that I set out to do. It was perfectly content to stay in Europe and make the kind of films I make in that arena. I guess after Valhalla Rising (2009) I kind of felt, well, maybe I should try to do a movie in Los Angeles; maybe it wouldn't be that bad. It would also be an interesting obstacle to work within, because it would probably be in a much more controlled environment than I was used to. I was offered a script by Paul Schrader that Paul had written called Dying of the Light (2014), I actually got Harrison Ford to play the lead. I was really interested in doing a movie where I got to kill Harrison Ford. And then, as it always does in Hollywood, it began to unravel. What you thought was the head began to unravel. Suddenly Harrison didn't want to die, maybe, and blah blah blah, and I was like, oh dammit. I postponed my own film back in Europe and gone to Hollywood and, of course, ended up in development hell. While this was going on I would come to LA at four days a trip because I just got a new child, and I couldn't be away for a long time. One of the times that I came here at a critical point in the collapse of "Dying of the Light", I'd gotten the flu coming in so I was pretty out of it. Harrison got me these anti-flu drugs. I don't do drugs anymore and I haven't done them for a long time, so it didn't take a whole lot of American anti-flu drug to make me as high as a kite. (...) Then I got a call asking if I would have time to have dinner with Ryan Gosling. I'd never met him, we'd never crossed paths. I was, yeah, sure, why not. That morning, they sent the script over called Drive that I read, but I couldn't remember it because I was so stoned when I read it. I got a taxi that came to the restaurant and Ryan was already there because I couldn't find the restaurant, I was quite delayed. Ryan was terrific, so courteous, respectful, nice, professional, and I was completely zoned out. It was basically impossible to have a conversation about anything besides music and films, a little bit about my films. After we were through with dinner I asked him to take me home, because I can't drive a car and I just needed a ride home, which of course was a strange thing to do because it was like a blind date that was about to go terribly wrong. He was like, yeah, absolutely, sure. It was all the way in Santa Monica that was quite a long trip. We got into his car and we were driving along the highway in just awkward silence. I liked him so much; even though I was out of it I knew that the man was very unique in his aura around him. So we're sitting there in silence and Ryan turns on the radio to break the silence, and REO Speedwagon's "I Can't Fight this Feeling Anymore" starts to play. I am very emotional because I'm both ill and high at the same time, flying as a kite. I actually started to sing the song, because I love REO Speedwagon, I love that song it reminds me of my youth. It almost brought me down memory lane of where I grew up, and it's a very much LA driving song. There I am, singing this song, and probably obnoxiously, and then I start to cry. I turned to Ryan, for the first time, and I looked at him in the car, and I just screamed in his face, "I know what Drive is. It's going to be about a man that drives around in a car at night and listens to pop music because that's his emotional release." Ryan very quickly just caught up on that and just nodded and was like, got it. I'm in. And then we did it.[2011] Hide
[on his Aleister Crowley biopic and Tom Hardy as Crowley]I am not knowledgeable at all about Crowley Show more
[on his Aleister Crowley biopic and Tom Hardy as Crowley]I am not knowledgeable at all about Crowley's life and I will need a good writer to put all these ideas in formation. But the moment I called Tom (Tom Hardy) and suggested the project, he didn't hesitate to say yes. His only question was, 'When do we start?' We had a great working relationship on Bronson, and finally, after many years of trying to break through, I believe he's now on his way to real stardom. I couldn't think of anyone better to play the young Crowley. I have no title as yet, and will not be able to get around to it until after the proposed Pusher 4 at least. But there's definitely a far-out, sexy, trippy, horrifying movie to be made out of this notorious, Satan-worshipping cult personality. Think Charles Manson times a billion, and that's what I want to depict on screen.-2009 Hide
[on the use of pop music in cinema] Scorpio Rising (1965) by Kenneth Anger. That was the first time Show more
[on the use of pop music in cinema] Scorpio Rising (1965) by Kenneth Anger. That was the first time that a filmmaker would use pop music of its time to underscore the emotion with the images. Its very interesting that it all leads back to that film.[2015] Hide
[after mixed press reactions to The Neon Demon (2016) at Cannes] Art is not about good or bad, guys. Show more
[after mixed press reactions to The Neon Demon (2016) at Cannes] Art is not about good or bad, guys. Those days are over. [2016] Hide
[on working with Amazon Studios and artistic integrity] I think that one of the things with the mode Show more
[on working with Amazon Studios and artistic integrity] I think that one of the things with the modernism of the entertainment industry and especially working with Amazon, who understands the power when you go from theatrical to streaming, is that the integrity of the creator is really the commodity besides of course the product. The product is more a reaction to who you are. So in a way, the experience of a culture is more and more, what do you stand for as an artist? [2016] Hide
I grew up in New York with my mother and my step-father who were photographers. Growing up in what y Show more
I grew up in New York with my mother and my step-father who were photographers. Growing up in what you would call a Scandinavian socialistic household of upper class New York, anything that was actually American was considered Fascist and everything that was Europe was great, especially European cinema of the 60s, the French New Wave and sorts. Growing up, if you couldn't rebel with your music - because my mother had photographed Jimi Hendrix and so forth - I turned to genre movies as my Rebel Without a Cause (1955), and that would surely get them pumped because they thought it was the vilest thing to see, and tracking down extreme cinema. But it wasn't really until I was 14 that I saw the The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974), it was a double feature in New York at Cinema Village that I realized to me film was an art-form. I've always been very fascinated by images, maybe that's because I'm dyslexic and I didn't learn how to read until I was 13, so images became very much my understanding of story telling.[2011] Hide
Like all art forms, film is a media as powerful as weapons of mass destruction; the only difference Show more
Like all art forms, film is a media as powerful as weapons of mass destruction; the only difference is that war destroys and film inspires. Hide
No compromise. Do it your way. Singularity - it's the only thing no one can take away from you. It's Show more
No compromise. Do it your way. Singularity - it's the only thing no one can take away from you. It's the only thing that sustains timelessness. [2016] Hide
I remember when I finished Bronson (2008), I sent it to the Toronto Film Festival because they had s Show more
I remember when I finished Bronson (2008), I sent it to the Toronto Film Festival because they had shown my "Pusher" trilogy, and I got a letter back from the festival director saying this is the worst movie he's ever seen. [laughs][2015] Hide
[on his cinematic inspirations for Drive (2011)] I think in terms of both the movie and using the ci Show more
[on his cinematic inspirations for Drive (2011)] I think in terms of both the movie and using the city - so vital and so interestingly - I would say probably a movie like Thief (1981). What I like about Michael Mann is that Michael Mann reminds me very much of a Western director. He would make Westerns, I feel. He would use the landscape of L.A. like a Western. He's always been very good at photographing L.A. like L.A. should be seen. As a unique place. It was always hard to define L.A. because it doesn't have the same familiarity that other urban cities have, like New York, Paris, London, Rome. They have a lot of things in common, whereas L.A. is unique.[2011] Hide
[on casting Kristin Scott Thomas in Only God Forgives (2013)] I was initially looking for an unknown Show more
[on casting Kristin Scott Thomas in Only God Forgives (2013)] I was initially looking for an unknown in the role and then I heard she was interested through the grapevine. So I went to Paris to meet her and very quickly realized she had no problem in turning on the bitch switch. But she said, 'In order for me to do this, I need to transform'. And I said, ''You're preaching to the choir, baby'. Hide
If you look at films of Jean-Pierre Melville or Sergio Leone or Sam Peckinpah or Michael Mann, a lot Show more
If you look at films of Jean-Pierre Melville or Sergio Leone or Sam Peckinpah or Michael Mann, a lot of it deals with heroes that have difficulties connecting to our world. Clearly Drive (2011) is within that category. Hide
I always loved Kenneth Anger's work, especially his earlier elements and leading up to Scorpio Risin Show more
I always loved Kenneth Anger's work, especially his earlier elements and leading up to Scorpio Rising (1965) which is kind of his greatest, and that was the first time where pop music was used for certain images. It was the first kind of music video because it was the first commercial advertisement with symbolic images combined with music. There's a lot of that with everything I do. And there was a time when Stanley Kubrick was very influential and I'd seen his movies and saw the rawness. I actually hired the same cinematographer who did Eyes Wide Shut (1999): Larry Smith.[2015] Hide
[on Zlatko Buric] Zlatko is my favorite actor. He comes from an experimental theatre in Croatia. He' Show more
[on Zlatko Buric] Zlatko is my favorite actor. He comes from an experimental theatre in Croatia. He's out there. The amount of talent that guy has... if he had a good agent in America, he would be on top in Hollywood. He could be one of those great character actors that you could pull in to make anything work. Hide
[how Kevin Smith inspired him to become a filmmaker:] My first work in the film industry was in dist Show more
[how Kevin Smith inspired him to become a filmmaker:] My first work in the film industry was in distribution. I was taken to Cannes for about 3 or 4 years working as a film scout for my uncle, learning what it means to sell and buy movies. So my introduction to actually making films was from a distribution point of view, and it was a great learning experience. You walk into a cinema and you see these buyers, and you can count the minutes before they get out of their seats and don't want to buy the movie, or if they stay, how long they stay for. And you learn what market value actually means. And that's the secret to staying alive in the film industry - knowing the value of your work. And how you can inflate it, or do the opposite. The two films that I had significant input in distributing for my uncle were Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (1986) and Clerks (1994) by Kevin Smith. When I went to the screening of "Clerks" at Cannes, I met Kevin, and I was around 23. He had this long speech about how he'd dropped out of film school to make this movie, then I saw the movie and I loved it, and my first reaction was: I could do that. That's when I went home and decided to make my first movie. Hide
[on casting Bryan Cranston in Drive (2009)] I had seen "Breaking Bad" and I'm probably the biggest f Show more
[on casting Bryan Cranston in Drive (2009)] I had seen "Breaking Bad" and I'm probably the biggest fan of Breaking Bad (2008) in the world. [Cranston] was the actor I basically went straight for, and I had to woo him, because Bryan has a lot of opportunities. One of the conditions was that everybody had to come to my house to meet me. So when Bryan came, the character was very underdeveloped, and I said to him: "Look, we are here to create him. What would you like to do?" And that led to very good conversations. Then, of course, I didn't hear anything, and knowing that he was in demand, I called him. Again, it was my good producer friend Adam Siegel who said, "Maybe we should just give him a call." I called him, and at the moment I called, he was sitting with a blank piece of paper writing pros and cons of doing Drive or not. He said: "Well, since you're calling, there must be meaning, so I'll do your movie." Hide
[on casting Bronson (2008)] I'm a big fan of Jason Statham, and have seen a lot of his movies. I rea Show more
[on casting Bronson (2008)] I'm a big fan of Jason Statham, and have seen a lot of his movies. I really tried to get Jason, and he loved our meeting but then got the script and was like "yeah man, I don't know what to tell you." And it was a shame because at that time, getting Jason Statham in a movie like this was gonna make you a millionaire, but it didn't turn out that way which was probably the right thing to do. And when it got to Guy Pearce, who also turned me down, I knew I was never gonna get anyone with value. And I only had like $900,000 to make the movie, so it was not like I could pay anyone. I had met Tom Hardy earlier that year because he was like an up-and-coming actor. I don't drink alcohol and he was an ex-alcoholic, and we met at a wine bar in London which is the worst place you could meet in. And I don't think we very much liked each other, so that was that. I looked around and then at the end when I couldn't find anyone, the casting director said, "You should really meet with Tom again, I'm telling you he is it." I was very stupid and arrogant and reluctant, but in the end, there were no real choices that I had that I was happy with. So we met again in a much more just "me and him" situation, and right away I saw my guy. So he got the part, and I must say I think he's absolutely amazing in the movie. Tom Hardy is a fantastic stage actor and a lot of it was about his stage performance. He's a wonderful comedian. He's very much a chameleon. He had oddly been obsessive about Charlie Bronson and knew him and was studying him because they were trying to make the movie earlier on with someone else and he was gonna play Bronson back then. But when I decided to make it, I wanted Jason Statham. So I had a different take on it [and that's] what you end up seeing. But to do that, we needed someone like Tom to pull it off. And that's what he does and he's probably one of the greatest living actors nowadays. Hide
[on his Pusher (1996)-trilogy] Sometimes the difference between Scandinavia and rest of world is, th Show more
[on his Pusher (1996)-trilogy] Sometimes the difference between Scandinavia and rest of world is, that sense of desperation doesn't always come out of necessity, but comes out of boredom. Because we have a very healthy Socialistic society, very few people do crime out of survival. A lot of the times it comes out of boredom. In one way we have almost a perfect setup, but yet there is a backlash - a dark side. Through the Vikings, we have a very violent tradition in the north. But because of socialism, that has been controlled over the last 30 or 40 years. We take things for granted, we take Socialism for granted. We have a tendency now in Scandinavia to be so spoiled. It actually ends up making us extremely racist. Because we are so preoccupied with ourselves, and what is ours, we want more and more. None of us have lived through a war, or a crisis. If you're a young student you can collect unemployment and live like that very well for the rest of your life. If you get sick, you go to the hospital. If you want your children to go to school, you send them to school. I'm not saying it's a perfect society. But having those things that create a healthy society, can take its toll because everything becomes so collective - like a commune. Everybody lives together on equal terms. Hide
The chief enemy of creativity is being safe, with good taste.
The chief enemy of creativity is being safe, with good taste.
[on Breaking Bad (2008)] "Breaking Bad" is like watching Shakespeare but not on stage. I think it's Show more
[on Breaking Bad (2008)] "Breaking Bad" is like watching Shakespeare but not on stage. I think it's absolutely wonderfully written, directed, acted and photographed. It pushed the limit of how we view television: it went completely out of the episodic [structure] and every season peeled the layers away from Walter White's inevitable destiny. That I find very inspiring. It's what made me see television as a medium now to work with. Hide
The auteur theory is such a strange theory, because you're dealing with human beings. You only make Show more
The auteur theory is such a strange theory, because you're dealing with human beings. You only make good stuff if your collaborators are a part of your process and a part of your ideas, and there's no point in fighting them or them fighting you. Even Ingmar Bergman had a lot of discussions with his actors about pros and cons. An auteur doesn't have to write every single word, because the writer's there to help the director do what the director wants to do, and that was certainly my case. Hide
Silence is cinema! We are so used to sounds; we're always talked at. Silence is very rare for us for Show more
Silence is cinema! We are so used to sounds; we're always talked at. Silence is very rare for us for a long duration of time. It makes people very uncomfortable. But what it does, it also forces us to perceive on a much deeper level because we can no longer just be told things..Silence is like gold. It forces the audience to engage more, because they're not being told what to think. Hide
